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Adding content to this Network

Started Jun 28, 2014 0 Replies

This Cree Family History Network offers members several ways of contributing. Starting a Forum discussion might be one way you choose to get going.Click on FORUMS in the green menu bar at the top of…Continue

Henry Talbot Cree of Bangor (1938-2005)

Started May 27, 2013 0 Replies

This death notice from Edmonton, Alberta, may be of interest to Adam Trevor Cree and other descendants of the Bangor Cree branch:CREE, Henry Talbot On June 28, 2005, Henry Talbot Cree passed away…Continue

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Visiting Northern Ireland

Started this discussion. Last reply by Mrs Helen Dawson Sep 30, 2013. 3 Replies

As a result of recent researches there have been new developments in the genealogy of the Ulster Cree lines. My wife Marian and I will be visiting Northern Ireland in the next two weeks (from the…Continue

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New Cree DNA testing campaign: Special Offer ends 31 Dec for testing kits

Started Dec 19, 2012 0 Replies

The Cree Family History Network is now launching a campaign to encourage Cree males to take a simple test from which their DNA may be analysed and matched to that of others in the existing Cree…Continue

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"Hi Thomas! Welcome to the Cree FH Network. I am not the main network admin -- that's Trevor Cree who approved your application to join. I am the compiler of the Cree Surname website, a one-name study website where we try and collate, analyse,…"
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Mike Spathaky left a comment for Dorothy Gabbey Cree Ludaescher
"Hi Dorothy, I have only now caught up with this thread about the Bangor Cree line. Some members may have assumed that Trevor Cree is to blame for the errors you have alerted us to, but that is not so, The Cree Surname website is my responsibility. I…"
Dec 19, 2016
Mike Spathaky commented on Robert Ian Anderson's blog post Hello!
"Robert,I see now you are descended from Hugh Cree of Bangor and will update the database. Living people are not shown on-line so when you send me any details please make it clear who is still alive!Do you know Adam Trevor Cree of Bangor and Julie…"
May 20, 2016
Mike Spathaky commented on Robert Ian Anderson's blog post Hello!
"Hi Robert,Good to see you on the Cree FH Network! I assume your mother is Margaret Sneddon Cree and that her mother's maiden name is Hawthorne (from the Irish births list at http://cree.one-name.net/indexes/ire.htm). It would be good to know…"
May 20, 2016
Sean Harrington left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Trevor & Mike, Thanks for replying. It is easy to get lost or sidetracked when you go back this far, after all John Crie & Catherine Clerk would be my G x 7 grandparents, so I think its best to have a tangible reason for justifying each move…"
Jan 8, 2016
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Jan 8, 2016
Mike Spathaky left a comment for Angela Deavers
"Hi Angela and Happy New Year!Welcome to the Cree Network! I like the look of the photo you have on your profile. It looks really old from the dresses. I have enlarged it in an attempt to read the handwriting. I can see the word Cree twice. Is it…"
Jan 5, 2016
Trevor Cree left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Sean, It is certainly very complicated trying to determine who was the father of the two John Crie's who married in 1751 and 1752 and therefore what line each individual originated from. Hopefully you have taken a look at the Scottish Old…"
Jan 4, 2016
Sean Harrington left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Mike & Trevor,  Re: JOHN CRIE & JEAN KEILLOR SCOTTISH NAMING PATTERNSMost often used pattern for given names was1st son after paternal grandfather2nd son after maternal grandfatther3rd son after father1st daughter after maternal…"
Dec 31, 2015
Sean Harrington left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Hi Mike & Trevor, Don't you think that it is unusual that none of their 6 daughters were named Catherine after their father's mother Catherine Clerk? "
Dec 12, 2015
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Mike Spathaky left a comment for Sean Harrington
"Hi Sean,I think all the information on the person details page for John Cree http://cree.one-name.net/person.htm?id=1376 hang together and support each other. The burial register records his death and burial in December 1794 and says he was aged 75…"
Dec 12, 2015
Sean Harrington left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Trevor & Mike, Your records show a John Crie bap 19 Jan 1718 ( son of John Cree & Catherine Clerk ) who marries an Agnes Waddle 2 Feb 1751. How sure are you that this information is correct, particularly the marriage to Agnes? "
Dec 10, 2015
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"Sean and Mike, In the copies of the Old Parish Registers that I sent earlier we do have the christening of a William Crie, 12 February 1761, Perth, Perthshire, to "James Crie, Miller, and Jannet Kid". The combination of 'Miller'…"
Nov 29, 2015
Sean Harrington left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Mike & Trevor, Just realised that using the traditional naming patterns John's mother would most be named May or Catherine. As May is a variation of Mary/ Margaret  & referring to my previous comment, David Cree & Margaret…"
Nov 28, 2015
Sean Harrington left a comment for Mike Spathaky
"Mike & Trevor, I have only just seen your last couple of messages now, I had thought I would get a notification of a message been received ( still getting used to the site ). I don't think Alexander Crie or William Crie are likely…"
Nov 28, 2015

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Northern Ireland Cree birth, marriage and death datasets now on-line

Posted on June 8, 2013 at 22:33 5 Comments

During my visit to Ireland last month I managed to copy all the Cree entries from the birth and marriage indexes at  the General Register Office, Belfast (GRONI), which took me almost two full 6-hour days. I have now typed these into spreadsheets which I have uploaded to the Datasets section of the Cree Surname web site at http://www.cree.name/indexes/ire.htm alongside the Cree marriages which I extracted last year. This will…

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100th Cree Family Reunion

Posted on January 31, 2013 at 18:30 0 Comments

The 100th Annual Cree Family Reunion will be held the 4th Sunday of August, 2013 in Cass County Indiana at the Cree Homeplace (of Samuel Walker Cree). This is primarily for the descendants of Samuel Walker and Elizabeth (Welsh) Cree, James Robert and Mary Jane (McGee) Cree, Peter and Mary (Cree) Tolen, and David and Sarah (Rock) Cree. With the exception of David, the rest came from Ohio to Cass and Carroll County in 1851. Samuel, James Robert, Mary, and David were the children of Samuel and…

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Creation of a range of Forums

Posted on December 8, 2012 at 21:00 0 Comments

I have today rearranged the existing forum discussions on this Cree Family History Network. I have created a number of different Forums for different aspects of Cree family history, including different Cree descent lines. Any member can create a new discussion within any of these Forums, as well as being able to post a reply to others' postings. I hope this will eventually make things clearer even though past postings now show as posted by me. I have added to those a first line stating…

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Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:05 0 Comments

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At 13:32 on January 8, 2016, Sean Harrington said…

Trevor & Mike,

Thanks for replying. It is easy to get lost or sidetracked when you go back this far, after all John Crie & Catherine Clerk would be my G x 7 grandparents, so I think its best to have a tangible reason for justifying each move back in time. Although all families did not stick to this naming pattern rigidly, many did & many at least used a variation of this.

Again I think its highly unusual for a couple to have 6 daughters & not give one of them the name of the fathers mother as happened with John Crie & Agnes Waddel if Catherine Clerk were John's mother. I am satisfied that my John Crie who married Jean Keillor in 1752 is the son of John Crie & Catherine Clerk. The problem is where to go from here. Thanks for your help & congratulations on this site & the cree name site which are a wonderful source of information.  

At 22:03 on January 4, 2016, Trevor Cree said…

Sean,

It is certainly very complicated trying to determine who was the father of the two John Crie's who married in 1751 and 1752 and therefore what line each individual originated from. Hopefully you have taken a look at the Scottish Old Parish Registers for Births/Baptisms and Marriages that can be found here http://www.cree.name/indexes/sct.htm on Excel files.

The John Crie who married Agnes Waddel (Waddle) on the 2nd February 1751 in Perth had the following 12 recorded children in this order: Janet (1752), Agnes (1752), John (1754), William (1757), Helen (1758), Alexander (1761), Mary (1763), Patrick (1764), Elizabeth (1767), Thomas (1770), Laurence (1770), and Margaret (1771). (Based on the children's names it could be that this John Crie was actually the son of Alexander Crie & Agnas McFarland whose marriage was recorded on the 16 February 1708 in Methven. Alexander & Agnas had children named Alexander and Patrick). The marriage record of John Crie and Agnes Waddel states that he was from the parish of Perth and she was from the parish of Redgorton.

The John Crie who married Jean Keiler (Killer) on the 15 May 1752 in Perth had the following 4 children in this order: May (1752), Catherine (1754), Jean (1758) and John (1750). (As you say it could be that this John Crie was the son of John Crie and Catherine Clerk based on the use of the child's name Catherine) The marriage record of this John Crie and Jean Killer states that they were both of the parish of Perth.

A particular problem arises because the first parish records in Scotland started at different dates and therefore when someone appears on the marriage record their birth/baptism may not have been recorded in their particular parish. Clearly it has always been a complicated jigsaw puzzle in the early Cree/Crie years with many missing pieces. I guess that it is like archaeology were you have a hypothesis until new evidence comes along.    

At 18:19 on December 31, 2015, Sean Harrington said…

Mike & Trevor, 

Re: JOHN CRIE & JEAN KEILLOR

SCOTTISH NAMING PATTERNS

Most often used pattern for given names was

1st son after paternal grandfather
2nd son after maternal grandfatther
3rd son after father
1st daughter after maternal grandmother
2nd daughter after paternal grandmother
3rd daughter after mother

I refer to the above & have applied it to the family of John & Jean on the basis that the 3rd daughter was named after the mother which we know happened in this case with the 3rd daughter being Jean born 14th Jun 1758.

I therefore suggest the following possibility:

John Crie & Jean Keillor marry 15th May 1752, Perth.

1st Daughter - May - born 2nd Dec 1752, Perth. - named after mother's mother - Margaret Weddell.

2nd Daughter - Catherine - born 19th Apr 1754, Perth - named after father's mother- Catherine Clark.

3rd Daughter - Jean - born 14th Jun 1758, Perth - named after mother - Jean Keillor.

1st Son - John - born 14th Feb 1760, Perth - named after father's father - John Crie.

I believe Jean Keillor was bapt 30 Sep 1726, St Martins, Perth - daughter of George Keillor & Margaret Weddell who married 2nd Dec 1720, St Martins, Perth.

I suggest that John Crie was bapt 19th Jan 1718, Newburgh, Fife - son of John Crie & Catherine Clark who married 20th Oct 1711, Abernethy, Perth. 

Your records show John Crie (bapt 19th Jan 1718, Newburgh, Fife - son of John Crie & Catherine Clerk) as having married Agnes Waddle in 1751, however not withstanding whether the old scottish naming paterns where strictly adhered to or not it would be highly unusual for a couple to have as many as 6 daughters ( Janet,Agnes,Helen,Mary,Elizabeth & Margaret )  & not name even 1 of them after the father's mother ( Catherine ).

Would appreciate your feedback on this.

Wishing you all a Happy New Year                                                                                           Sean Harrington

At 21:43 on December 12, 2015, Sean Harrington said…

Hi Mike & Trevor,

Don't you think that it is unusual that none of their 6 daughters were named Catherine after their father's mother Catherine Clerk? 

At 14:46 on December 10, 2015, Sean Harrington said…

Trevor & Mike,

Your records show a John Crie bap 19 Jan 1718 ( son of John Cree & Catherine Clerk ) who marries an Agnes Waddle 2 Feb 1751. How sure are you that this information is correct, particularly the marriage to Agnes? 

At 12:25 on November 29, 2015, Trevor Cree said…

Sean and Mike,

In the copies of the Old Parish Registers that I sent earlier we do have the christening of a William Crie, 12 February 1761, Perth, Perthshire, to "James Crie, Miller, and Jannet Kid". The combination of 'Miller' whose spouse was "Jannet Kid" made me consider that perhaps 'James' was a mistake and that it was possibly John Crie.That has certainly happened in other cases.

With respect to your question about the christening of David Cree to David Cree in Kinnoul in 1706 there are no further clues in the register. However at the christening of his daughter Janet in 1702 in Kinnoul parish we have the interesting phrase of 'David Cree in Balthaioch'. I believe this may be Balthayock and this can be found on a Google satellite map close to Kinfauns but not far from Kinnoul Hill.

In the 'Rentall of the County of Perth, by act of the estates of Scotland, 4th August 1649 we have reference in Kinnoul Parish to a Thomas Cree and to Balthayock. This Thomas could well be related to David Cree.

https://archive.org/stream/rentallofcountyo00gloauoft/rentallofcountyo00gloauoft_djvu.txt  

"Thomas Cree, for his houssmaills, eight punds, eighteene shilling" 

Christening of Janet Cree, 1702, Kinnoul.

At 12:26 on November 28, 2015, Sean Harrington said…

Mike & Trevor,

Just realised that using the traditional naming patterns John's mother would most be named May or Catherine. As May is a variation of Mary/ Margaret  & referring to my previous comment, David Cree & Margaret Cowan are a definite possibility.

PRONOUNCED: MAY [key] Derived from the name of the month of May, which derives from Maia, the name of a Roman goddess. May is also another name of the hawthorn flower. It is also used as a diminutive of MARY, MARGARET or MABEL.

At 11:52 on November 28, 2015, Sean Harrington said…

Mike & Trevor,

I have only just seen your last couple of messages now, I had thought I would get a notification of a message been received ( still getting used to the site ).

I don't think Alexander Crie or William Crie are likely candidates as the father of John based simply on the fact that neither of these names occur in any of John's four sons - John, David, John 2 & Peter. If anything like the old traditional naming patterns of Ireland were also used in Scotland then John's father was most likely named either John or David with  Peter being a possible name of a brother of his father.

 

At 18:07 on November 27, 2015, Trevor Cree said…

Mike & Sean,

I have now found the christening of Louiza Crie daughter of Alexander Crie on the 28 December 1708 in Meckven, therefore shortly after the marriage of Alexander Crie and Agnes McFarland on the 16 February 1708.

 Based on the Meckven location we could relate our Alexander Crie to an Alexander Cree (son David 1696), Thomas Cree (daughter Isabel 1697 & son Thomas 1703) and David Cree (son John 1700) who all had children in 'Mekven' as early as 1696. 

Thomas Cree is Cree ID 9247 and he is stated to be the son of David Crie (Cree ID 9245). This takes us back to 1670.

The previous analysis is based on the christening of a John Crie to Alexander Crie in Meckven in 1719. The other candidate is the christening of John Crie to William Crie in Forteviot in 1721. Clearly still work to do to unravel this puzzle. 

At 16:57 on November 27, 2015, Trevor Cree said…

Mike,

Based on what you both propose I agree that John Crie, miller, probably married three times. The only issue is that if so he had a child named John Crie born in 1760 to Jean Keiller and another child named John Crie born to Janet Young in 1769. However this could be because the first John Crie died young and John Crie, miller, wanted his name carried on. This happened in my own family where my own father Alec Lionel Cree was preceded by another Alec Charles Cree who died young.

At this stage we cannot be sure but if we pursue the christening of John Crie in 1719 to Alexander Crie in Meckven then this Alexander may well be the one who married Agnes McFarland in Methven on 16th February 1708. The children born to an Alexander Crie/Cree in Meckven are Alexander Crie in 1712, Patrick Cree in 1715, Thomas Cree in 1717 and John Crie in 1719.

 

 
 
 

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