The Cree family and "Tusculum", North Berwick - Cree Family History Network2024-03-29T09:16:44Zhttps://creefhs.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cree-family-and-tusculum-north-berwick?commentId=6495740%3AComment%3A7405&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi James
Thanks so much for y…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2015-06-12:6495740:Comment:90062015-06-12T10:49:24.319ZAnthony Whitakerhttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/AnthonyWhitaker
<p>Hi James</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your speedy reply. I am so pleased that I made the enquiry. If I can work out how to do it, I will attach a few pictures etc of my own. Are you UK based? Would you like to know more about Northaw Place School? </p>
<p>Three years ago I found a Memorial book at Norman Court School, just as it was closing down, so I "borrowed" it for safe keeping and still have it. Happily the school re-opened in 2013 and seems to be going from strength to strength.…</p>
<p>Hi James</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your speedy reply. I am so pleased that I made the enquiry. If I can work out how to do it, I will attach a few pictures etc of my own. Are you UK based? Would you like to know more about Northaw Place School? </p>
<p>Three years ago I found a Memorial book at Norman Court School, just as it was closing down, so I "borrowed" it for safe keeping and still have it. Happily the school re-opened in 2013 and seems to be going from strength to strength. Photograph of the page for JFC herewith - as you can see, they didn't have much detail on him! He is listed on the WW1 Memorial, still in the school chapel. Photograph of that, too, attached.</p>
<p>I assume you have seen his Medal card? I also have his Discharge papers from the KOSB. I can send these, if you haven't seen them. I visited his grave in France last summer and have a picture of that as well, if you haven't seen it. I haven't yet studied his Army records at Kew but will get there eventually. </p>
<p>Was I correct about Gerald Edward being his brother? Perhaps he was your grandfather? I know he (Gerald) was at Northaw Place in the winter term of 1915 because I have the school calendars (basically a list of the pupils plus the term dates) for several terms between 1913 and 1915. All other early records are lost.</p>
<p>I have plans to put together a file on all those listed on the War Memorial, to live at Norman Court. Would you be happy for me to use the photograph of JFC when I do this? I would, of course, give you full credit. If so, might you be able to send it again as a jpeg rather than a pdf?</p>
<p>I'd be delighted to receive any other documents, photographs etc that you may have as they all help to build up a picture. A good friend in the village is ex KOSB and has volunteered to see what, if anything, he can find out about JFC's career in the regiment.</p>
<p>best wishes</p>
<p>Anthony</p> Hi Anthony
James Fleming Cr…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2015-06-11:6495740:Comment:92022015-06-11T21:00:11.579ZJames Creehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/JamesCree
<p>Hi Anthony</p>
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<p>James Fleming Cree was my great uncle. I have some information about him which I have scanned and attached here. I also have copies of the letters of condolence, enlistment papers and the war penny if these are of interest to you.</p>
<p>Aparently James wanted to enlist earlier in the war but was unable to due to medical reasons and I know little more. I hvae been trying to get hold of his records with the Northumberland Fuseliers, however they are closed to new…</p>
<p>Hi Anthony</p>
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<p>James Fleming Cree was my great uncle. I have some information about him which I have scanned and attached here. I also have copies of the letters of condolence, enlistment papers and the war penny if these are of interest to you.</p>
<p>Aparently James wanted to enlist earlier in the war but was unable to due to medical reasons and I know little more. I hvae been trying to get hold of his records with the Northumberland Fuseliers, however they are closed to new enquiries at the present and have been for several months.</p>
<p>The details of his military history are signed by his father, James Edward Cree and state his date of birth as 28th March and so I am confident that this is correct!!!</p>
<p>If you want more pictures etc, please let me know.</p>
<p>James<br/><br/><cite>Anthony Whitaker said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://creefhs.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cree-family-and-tusculum-north-berwick#6495740Comment9201"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I am interested in James Fleming Cree named in the above post and can, maybe, add some further information about him.</p>
<p>His name appears on the War Memorial of Northaw Place School, formerly in the village of Northaw in Hertfordshire and now in Hampshire, although known as Norman Court School these days. I know that he was born in 1895, on either 3rd March or 28th March (I'm not quite sure why there is a discrepancy except that as he was born in Galveston, Texas, records are not readily available in England.) </p>
<p>I know, too that his parents were James Edward Cree and Eliza Mabel née Fleming. After attending Northaw Place (for I know not how long since all records have been lost) he went to Haileybury also in Hertfordshire but was only there for one term in 1909. </p>
<p>In the 1911 census he is listed as a student at Tingewick Rectory in Buckinghamshire but it looks to have been quite a small establishment. His brother(?) Gerald Edward Cree as a pupil at Northaw Place in 1915. </p>
<p>He enlisted as a Private in the King's Own Scottish Borderers in December 1916 and then was discharged from that regiment in January 1918 upon taking up a commission in the Northumberland Fusiliers. </p>
<p>He was killed in action on 3rd September 1918 and is buried in Sailly-Labourse Communal Cemetery. Can anyone shed any further light on him? I am Chairman of the former pupils' association of the school, hence my interest.</p>
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</blockquote> I am interested in James Flem…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2015-06-11:6495740:Comment:92012015-06-11T17:51:00.372ZAnthony Whitakerhttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/AnthonyWhitaker
<p>I am interested in James Fleming Cree named in the above post and can, maybe, add some further information about him.</p>
<p>His name appears on the War Memorial of Northaw Place School, formerly in the village of Northaw in Hertfordshire and now in Hampshire, although known as Norman Court School these days. I know that he was born in 1895, on either 3rd March or 28th March (I'm not quite sure why there is a discrepancy except that as he was born in Galveston, Texas, records are not readily…</p>
<p>I am interested in James Fleming Cree named in the above post and can, maybe, add some further information about him.</p>
<p>His name appears on the War Memorial of Northaw Place School, formerly in the village of Northaw in Hertfordshire and now in Hampshire, although known as Norman Court School these days. I know that he was born in 1895, on either 3rd March or 28th March (I'm not quite sure why there is a discrepancy except that as he was born in Galveston, Texas, records are not readily available in England.) </p>
<p>I know, too that his parents were James Edward Cree and Eliza Mabel née Fleming. After attending Northaw Place (for I know not how long since all records have been lost) he went to Haileybury also in Hertfordshire but was only there for one term in 1909. </p>
<p>In the 1911 census he is listed as a student at Tingewick Rectory in Buckinghamshire but it looks to have been quite a small establishment. His brother(?) Gerald Edward Cree as a pupil at Northaw Place in 1915. </p>
<p>He enlisted as a Private in the King's Own Scottish Borderers in December 1916 and then was discharged from that regiment in January 1918 upon taking up a commission in the Northumberland Fusiliers. </p>
<p>He was killed in action on 3rd September 1918 and is buried in Sailly-Labourse Communal Cemetery. Can anyone shed any further light on him? I am Chairman of the former pupils' association of the school, hence my interest.</p> Trevor Cree said:
I believe…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2015-06-11:6495740:Comment:90022015-06-11T17:32:43.703ZAnthony Whitakerhttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/AnthonyWhitaker
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Trevor Cree said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://creefhs.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cree-family-and-tusculum-north-berwick#6495740Comment7007"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I believe that I may have located some new information on Ancestry about Irene Mabel Napier Cree. The records show that she arrived in Liverpool on the 10th October 1896 on board the Scythia from Boston. Her age is given as 24 years but this is clearly a mistake since she was travelling with…</p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Trevor Cree said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://creefhs.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cree-family-and-tusculum-north-berwick#6495740Comment7007"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I believe that I may have located some new information on Ancestry about Irene Mabel Napier Cree. The records show that she arrived in Liverpool on the 10th October 1896 on board the Scythia from Boston. Her age is given as 24 years but this is clearly a mistake since she was travelling with a nurse and described as a child. The other related passengers were:</p>
<p>(i) Agnes Paxton Cree, 63 years, Lady</p>
<p>(ii) James Edward Cree, 32 years, </p>
<p>(iii) Eliza Mabel Cree, ? years, Wife</p>
<p>(iv) Helen Ross, 32 years, Nurse,</p>
<p>(v) Irene M N Cree, ? years, Child</p>
<p>(vi) James Fleming Cree, 1 year, Infant</p>
<p>Agnes Paxton Cree (Cree No 2612) was clearly the wife of James Cree (Cree No 2611), the father of James Edward Cree (Cree No 2689).</p>
<p>In the 1851 and 1861 census James Cree (Cree No 2611) gives his birthplace as Dysart, Fifeshire, and in the 1881 census he gives his birthplace as Sinclairtown, Fife.</p>
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I have am carrying o…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2015-04-21:6495740:Comment:77072015-04-21T15:49:20.298ZJames Creehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/JamesCree
<p>Hi Hugh</p>
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<p>I have am carrying out some research into the Flemings, Napiers, and other lines of my family tree. As for Eliza <span style="font-size: 14pt;"> she was the youngest daughter of the marriage of George Napier of Dales and Grace Maxton.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">She married James Boyd Fleming on 24 Feb 1856 in Edinburgh, and had at least four children, George Napier Fleming born in Secunderabad, Madras, India on 27 May 1861, who sadly died there on 23…</span></p>
<p>Hi Hugh</p>
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<p>I have am carrying out some research into the Flemings, Napiers, and other lines of my family tree. As for Eliza <span style="font-size: 14pt;"> she was the youngest daughter of the marriage of George Napier of Dales and Grace Maxton.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">She married James Boyd Fleming on 24 Feb 1856 in Edinburgh, and had at least four children, George Napier Fleming born in Secunderabad, Madras, India on 27 May 1861, who sadly died there on 23 Jun 1862 and was buried there the next day, Grace Fleming born in Secunderabad, Madras, India on 27 Apr 1863, Anna Fleming born in Burntisland, Fife on 13 Jul 1865, and Eliza Mabel Fleming, born on 8 Feb 1872 in Edinburgh.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">My godfather is the son of Norna, Irene's sister and I may be able to find out more if you want, I can ask if he has any further information for you.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Regards</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 14pt;">James</span></p>
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<p></p> Hi Trevor....to tidy up some…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2014-11-08:6495740:Comment:74052014-11-08T14:14:51.241ZHugh MacKenziehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/HughMacKenzie
<p>Hi Trevor....to tidy up some points of detail.</p>
<p>At the time of the voyage , Eliza would have been 24.</p>
<p>There is really no conflict in the two census results as Dysart is the main town and Sinclairtown is a smaller village a short distance inland. I suspect that Dysart would be the district where registration took place</p>
<p>Hi Trevor....to tidy up some points of detail.</p>
<p>At the time of the voyage , Eliza would have been 24.</p>
<p>There is really no conflict in the two census results as Dysart is the main town and Sinclairtown is a smaller village a short distance inland. I suspect that Dysart would be the district where registration took place</p> Thanks Trevor for the addi…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2014-11-08:6495740:Comment:74042014-11-08T11:45:00.944ZHugh MacKenziehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/HughMacKenzie
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<p>Thanks Trevor for the additional…</p>
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<p>Thanks Trevor for the additional informatiom. I have Irene Cree's date of birth as 1894 so she would have been aged about 2 years on that voyage having been born in New Mexico. "Tusculum" would have been established for about 36years at that point.</p>
<p>She did however cross the Atlantic to New York on 28th April 1924 on board the Franconia which left Southampton on 19th April 1924. She would have been 30 years old at that point.</p>
<p>There may have been other voyages in-between</p>
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</blockquote> I believe that I may have loc…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2014-11-08:6495740:Comment:70072014-11-08T07:09:04.289ZTrevor Creehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/3e53xgjsv0aum
<p>I believe that I may have located some new information on Ancestry about Irene Mabel Napier Cree. The records show that she arrived in Liverpool on the 10th October 1896 on board the Scythia from Boston. Her age is given as 24 years but this is clearly a mistake since she was travelling with a nurse and described as a child. The other related passengers were:</p>
<p>(i) Agnes Paxton Cree, 63 years, Lady</p>
<p>(ii) James Edward Cree, 32 years, </p>
<p>(iii) Eliza Mabel Cree, ? years,…</p>
<p>I believe that I may have located some new information on Ancestry about Irene Mabel Napier Cree. The records show that she arrived in Liverpool on the 10th October 1896 on board the Scythia from Boston. Her age is given as 24 years but this is clearly a mistake since she was travelling with a nurse and described as a child. The other related passengers were:</p>
<p>(i) Agnes Paxton Cree, 63 years, Lady</p>
<p>(ii) James Edward Cree, 32 years, </p>
<p>(iii) Eliza Mabel Cree, ? years, Wife</p>
<p>(iv) Helen Ross, 32 years, Nurse,</p>
<p>(v) Irene M N Cree, ? years, Child</p>
<p>(vi) James Fleming Cree, 1 year, Infant</p>
<p>Agnes Paxton Cree (Cree No 2612) was clearly the wife of James Cree (Cree No 2611), the father of James Edward Cree (Cree No 2689).</p>
<p>In the 1851 and 1861 census James Cree (Cree No 2611) gives his birthplace as Dysart, Fifeshire, and in the 1881 census he gives his birthplace as Sinclairtown, Fife.</p> My latest problem is trying t…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2014-11-04:6495740:Comment:72032014-11-04T22:49:08.767ZHugh MacKenziehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/HughMacKenzie
<p>My latest problem is trying to compose a timeline for Irene Mabel Napier Cree.</p>
<p>From a Census return,we have her living in Crieff with the Arklie family in 1901 aged 7 and then moving on to be educated at Queen Ethelburga's in Harrogate. The problem is that the school was founded in 1912 when Irene Cree would have been aged 19 so that doesnt tie in at all. Any clues?…</p>
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<p>My latest problem is trying to compose a timeline for Irene Mabel Napier Cree.</p>
<p>From a Census return,we have her living in Crieff with the Arklie family in 1901 aged 7 and then moving on to be educated at Queen Ethelburga's in Harrogate. The problem is that the school was founded in 1912 when Irene Cree would have been aged 19 so that doesnt tie in at all. Any clues?</p>
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I agree that the pain…tag:creefhs.ning.com,2014-11-03:6495740:Comment:70062014-11-03T10:50:58.395ZHugh MacKenziehttps://creefhs.ning.com/profile/HughMacKenzie
<p>Hi Mike</p>
<p>I agree that the painting is most probably by Dr E.H.Cree who had a reputation as an accomplished watercolourist.</p>
<p>It is fascinating to hear that around 1866 he went to stay with James Cree which of course ties in with the date on the painting. There is some speculation that the people in the foreground are family members but that's a hard one to verify.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback...all excellent stuff !</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Hugh</p>
<p>Hi Mike</p>
<p>I agree that the painting is most probably by Dr E.H.Cree who had a reputation as an accomplished watercolourist.</p>
<p>It is fascinating to hear that around 1866 he went to stay with James Cree which of course ties in with the date on the painting. There is some speculation that the people in the foreground are family members but that's a hard one to verify.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback...all excellent stuff !</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Hugh</p>