Hi Trevor and thanks my grandfather Robert Cree married Betty Smith and moved to Burnopfield where my father Robert was born he married my mother Dorothy Brown and had myself and my sister Diane who still lives there. I joined the Army and met my wife Lynn Neilly whilst serving over here and when I left the army I settled here we have one son called Alexander.
Welcome to the Cree Family History Network! Great to have a Dubliner here.
I think it is eminently possible, I would say probably even, that John Crie married three time as you have shown in your posting. Such a situation is not unusual at this period. I have him on the Cree database with wives numbers 2 and 3 at http://cree.one-name.net/person.htm?id=2346 (and will add his first wife and her children shortly).
Perth was an unhealthy place to live in the 18th century when the town's sewerage system had not kept up with the needs of its growing population. Millers' families were susceptible to TB and lung diseases and women at childbirth were especially vulnerable. It was usual for widowed fathers of young children to marry almost immediately after the loss of their wives in order that the children could be lookd after. So it is far more likely that there was one John Crie, miller, who married three times than three such men. The existence of three people known as John Crie, miller, stretches credulity - mine anyway. The dates as you point out fit this story very well.
What is less clear is whether John was the one baptised on 23 November 1736 in Blair Atholl as the son of David Cree for he would have been only 15 yrs old at his marriage to Jean Keiller. I am uncertain what the minimum age for marraige was for males in Scotland at that time. John was old enough to father a child and their daughter was born six months after the marriage, so we can guess there would have been pressure for a marriage. I know that marriage laws were in general more relaxed than in England, so it is not impossible that it was he.
However I accept there is no convincing evidence to connect John Crie, miller in Perth, with David Crie and Margaret Cowan of Blair Atholl, even bearing in mind that this couple were from the Methven- Tibbermore area just a few km west of Perth. The fact is that there were a number of Crie families from this area.
Going by the most common age at marriage of 24 (for males) the most likely birth record for our miller is that of John Crie born 3 February 1719, Meckven, a fermtoun in Methven parish, to Alexander Crie. This is one of those suggested by Trevor Cree. At present I think we have to suspend judgement about where John Crie came from.
Trevor ,with respect please note that Isobel was born to John Crie & Janet Kidd on 9th Dec 1764 & he then John marries Jannet Young on 26th Feb 1765. This is a similar turn around to the one which you refer to.
Also over these 3 marriages & the 10 children born, only one name occurs twice that of John in 1760 ( mother Jean Killer ) & John in 1769 ( mother Jannet Young ) suggesting that the first John dies somewhere between 1760 & 1769, possibly even at birth.
Hi Trevor, delighted to find this site.This is a brief summary of where I am at the moment:
I have been stuck for a while on my Gx2 grandmother Mary Burgess born in Malta in 1836. I then found her birth cert showing parents as John Burgess ( soldier with Gordon Highlanders ) & Mary Jane King. A visit to Kew revealed that John was born in 1810 in Canongate to David Burgess & Margaret McKenzie who married in 1809. Further research revealed that David Burgess was born in 1788 to David Burgess & Jean Crie who married in 1779. The marriage banns refer to Jean Crie as being from the parish of Kinnoull & that she is the daughter of John Crie, Miller in Perth.
I have found a Jean Crie born in Perth in 1758 to a John Crie & Jean Keiller who married in 1752 & I believe to be my G x 6 grandparents. I have more dates & details of siblings & copies of christening registrations & marriage banns if required.
Does any of this link in to any lines that you know of ?
Hi Trevor, I'm new to this website, so still finding my way round. I have looked at all the information on the Derbyshire Crees and identified my ancestors dating back to the Bolsover and the original Alexander McCree, so that's fantastic, a tremendous help in affirming and extending my own previous research.
However, in the more recent generations I see you have some mistakes and anomolies, which I would like to correct and add more informaiton.
Please can you instruct me how to go about this? Thanks so much, Liz Larn
I am the daughter of Barbara Cree 1932 - 2002 who was the daughter of Frank and Nellie ( Baxter). My mum had a brother Norman 1929-1931, the end of this Cree line. Frank had two brothers Henry who died in 1916 in Flanders and William who was 30 and living at home in 1911. He also had two sisters Edith and Ethel they were also living at home in 1911. I have not been able to trace them since this. I do remember going to London to visit Aunty Edith with my Gran and also to Liverpool to visit a relative of my deceased grandad but not sure who that was.
This means I think that my great grandad was James Cree who was the son of William Cree who was the son of Thomas Cree and Elizabeth Cutts of Pinxton. I am really interested to get hold of copies of the letters that went between Manchester/ Salford and America. Any help would be much appreciated.
I was so excited when I found this web site, with matching details of my family tree. I have a fairly large tree and not sure of the best way to get the information to you. But in short it goes like this:
Father - Derek Martin. Mother - Sylvia Martin (nee Cornish) UK
Derek Martin -Mother - Margaret Martin (nee Crie (also known as Cree, Mc Cree, Mc Minn) - born 1895. married William Phillip Martin born 1890. South Africa.They had 7 known children, some stayed in South Africa, some emigrated to UK.
Margaret Martin's Father - James Crie (also known as Cree, Mc Cree) born March 11 1860, Boness, West lothian, Scotland. he was an Argyll and Sutherland Highlander. went to South Africa. met and married his wife - Charlotte Marthina Haggerty, born Oct 1 1862 they had 9 known children
James Crie's - Father, Archibald Crie / Cree born June 8 1828 Riccarton, Ayrshire, scotland. Died 1898. married Mary McMinn / McMunn born 1829 Ireland
I have my family tree on a database with Myheritage.com
Now I'm confused. I didn't know about Comment Wall. Where's that in the menu system? Does this comment (that I'm writing now) appear of your comment wall, my comment wall, or a communal comment wall? Let's see
My guess is that:- All Blog posts should display all of everyone's blog posts; My Blog will display all my blogs (which is obviously the same as "All" at the moment; Edit blog posts should give me access to edit my own blog posts only.
You could usefully test this as "My Blog" should appear blank to you as you haven't posted any yet. And Edit should not guve you access to edit my blogs.
Perhaps you could test this.
Another thought. Is it too late to alter the web address of the Ning site from creefhs.ning.com to simply cree.ning.com ? We haven't yet settled on the nomeclature for the whole Cree project and its constituent parts, but I think the URL should reflect the title Cree Family History Network" or be simply cree.